Like I do with my semi's, rifle & pistol, parts availability, large aftermarket support and readily available reloading components/ammo will need to factor into whatever I decide on. Barnes VOR TX ammo is also an ideal choice if youre hunting in states like California that mandate lead free 6mm Creedmoor ammo for hunting. We still have a long way to go and selection is still nowhere near where it was back in 2019, but things are a lot better now than they were even 6 months ago. Other shooters took notice of how well the rifle and cartridge performed during PRS competitions that year and began ordering 6mm Creedmoor rifles from Gardner. First off, the 6mm? at 2,960 fps. From the ballistic standpoint, the .244/6mm Rem. We have found some 6mm Creedmoor shooters pushing the bullet speeds in excess of 3000 fps to get around 2000 shots out of their barrels, and some have been able to extend that with proper barrel care life letting the 6mm Creedmoor barrel cool between firing strings, and hBN or other coatings on the bullets, or using the Tubb Throat Maintenance System bullets every few hundred shots. Like this unbelieveable 6mm Creedmoor of PRS Pro Shooter Jake Millard from Panhandle Precision who has recorded 2500 rounds through his 6mm Creedmoor and the rifle is still grouping well and shooting very low SD and ES as can be seen below: For safe reliable reloading data to start your load development journey with your 6mm Creedmoor, I would recommend working with the reloading data provided by either your powder manufacturer, like the Hodgdon reloading data portal, or the reloading data provided by your chosen bullet manufacturer. The question of whether or not the new ARC will last has been on everyones mind since it was first announced. Definitely not worth arguing. This is reflected in the prices, availability, and variety of factory ammunition and hunting rifles currently in production for each cartridge. ?This told me that felt recoil is not as much about numbers as it is about the person pulling the trigger. Unfortunately, were not living in normal times as I write this in September 2021. 6.5 Grendel The 6mm ARC delivers comparable performance from a wider assortment of bullets, making it a more versatile choice. I have spent a lot of time in this rabbit hole. The table below compares compares the 3 cartridges using Hornady Precision Hunter ammo along with 2 max handloads for the 243 and 6mm Creedmoor using a 100gr InterLock taken from the Hornady reloading handbook. That's borne out by current factory ammo specs showing the 6mm Rem. While the 6mm Creedmoor was very popular among PRS competitors, thats a relatively small market compared to the American shooting population as a whole. The 6 Creed wins every time, if we are talking velocities. But I am in the market for another bolt action and am patiently waiting on Howa to release their mini action. The chart below compares how much a 10 mile per hour crosswind impacts those same loads for each cartridge out to 500 yards. It may not display this or other websites correctly. While all three cartridges are known for their exceptional accuracy, the 6mm and 6.5mm Creedmoor cartridges are usually better suited to use high BC and high SD, heavy for caliber match grade hunting bullets than the .243 Winchester because of the aforementioned faster rifling twist in rifles chambered for those cartridges that stems from their target shooting roots. Review: Hornady 6mm ARC. There are a lot of opinions out there on which rifle caliber is better, but it really depends on what youre looking for. Well yes, about 7% less velocity means a little bit less recoil. The 6.5 Creedmoor is slightly larger and more powerful than the other two cartridges. Many of these are match bullets like the Hornady ELD Match, the Berger VLD, or other boat tail hollow point (BTHP) and open tip match (OTM) bullets that arent ideal for big game hunters. It was identical to the .244 but had a different label. Someone keeps forgetting to tell John Whidden that he cant spank the Creedmore fanboys at the Wimbledon matches with his 20 deg shoulder, low pressureed, overly tapered 243 Win. However, the cartridge began turning heads in the hunting community. The 6mm Creedmoor or 6Creed as some call it, was a natural evolution as with almost any other 6.5mm Creedmoor that was eventually necked down to 6mm for faster muzzle velocities and lower recoil for PRS style racegun competitions. Thanks for your support. For that reason, it combines incredible accuracy with consistent performance across a wide range of impact velocities. Nosler also offers their Trophy Grade hunting ammo in 6mm Creedmoor. 6mm GT vs 6mm Creedmoor The 6mm GT offer similar mag-fed reliability to the 6mm Creedmoor, with similar velocities, but with slightly less propellant, and is able to use the more forgiving propellants which make the 6mm GT slightly easier for load development with new barrels. The 6.5 Creedmoor has a similar advantage over the 6mm Creedmoor in kinetic energy. Once it reaches 500 yards, it has slowed but it's still maintaining . If youre looking for a round that can do it all, then the ARC is the one you want. The difference between the .243 Winchester and the 6mm Creedmoor can indeed make the difference in a tightly contested shooting match, but the gap between them is small enough that very few hunters will notice afield. Since this article is focused on the performance of these cartridges for hunting, I didnt include any ballistic data past 500 yards in the table above. THANK YOU.. Recoil vs cartridge study over the. Why would a guy opt for the ARC over the Creedmoor in a bolt action? Out of the same barrel length, 18 inches, the 6mm ARC is claimed to be capable of shooting a 108gr ELD Match bullet with a very slightly lower .270 G7 BC at a slightly faster 2630fps. 6ARC will be cool if Howa ever sells it as a barreled action on their mini action. Their 6mm Creedmoor Ballistic Tip ammo is great for hunters who want a really fast expanding bullet that rapidly delivers a tremendous amount of energy to game. In general, the bigger the bullet, the better it will perform on game animals. The 6.5 Creedmoor shoots 6.5mm/.264 class projectiles while the 6mm Creedmoor is necked down to shoot 6mm/.243. You'll need a new barrel, bolt, and mags. Like the Nosler Ballistic Tip ammo, their 6mm Creedmoor Trophy Grade ammo is also best suited for deer sized game. 18 Bartlein with a Manners CS2 stock. Even though it has the longest case of the bunch, the .243 Winchester has a 20 degree shoulder, which is not quite as sharp as the 30 degree shoulder shared by the 6mm and 6.5mm Creedmoor cartridges. All in MPA BA chassis.To my knowledge, no one has conducted a study like this. Wild. Originally dubbed the 6mm HOLE (Hornady-Outdoor Life Express), Snow paired the new cartridge with a custom rifle built by George Gardner of GA Precision in 2009. This is especially true when relative availability of the 2 cartridges during the ongoing ammo shortage are taken into account. The case volume of the 6mm Creedmoor is on average 51.7gr H2O, with a case length of 48.77mm, and for the 243 Winchester of 53.6gr H2O with a case length of 51.94mm. Photo by Michael Anschuetz. Im shooting 108eldm out of my 6mm creedmoor and really messing them up. However with the huge commercial success of the 6mm Creedmoor, it has caught up to the 243 Win, in ammo availability and often with better performing factory ammo offerings too, so now the 6mm Creedmoor is by far the clear winner between the two in the 6mm Creedmoor vss 243 Win debate. Case capacity of the 6mm PPC is about 33 grains of water. The general rule of thumb for caliber to animal size, is 6mm, 243 Win, 270 Win and up for any smaller CXP2 type antelope, and 30-06 Spingfield or larger for CXP3 medium to large game. If youre looking for a round that can do it all, then the ARC is the one you want. Update July 2021: Ammo supplies finally look like theyre starting to recover. So while we cant say for sure how long the new ARC will last, we think it has a good chance of becoming a staple in the world of competitive gaming. FORLOH AllClima Softshell and AllClima Stretch Woven Pant Review. The 6mm Creedmoor has been out a while. Felt recoil will vary from shooter to shooter and rifle to rifle, but free recoil energy is still a useful way to compare cartridges. Makes for a crazy lightweight 6.5 grendel in their Howa carbon stalker Dec 8, 2021 #8 A Anschutz 0 Joined Mar 19, 2017 Messages 137 Location Fairbanks, AK Just playing in GRT, 6ARC would get 2400ish and the 6CM would get 2700ish. Your buddy has no idea what he's talking about. This includes not only information about their purchase and use, but also the promotion of firearm safety and training. The bullet diameter is .243, the same as any other .243 or 6mm centerfire cartridge like the 243 Win, 6mm Remington, 6XC, 6GT, 6mm BR and 6mm Dasher. I am mainly talking to felt recoil. The Creedmoor has about 17% more recoil than the ARC, so it is a bit more punishing to shoot. Another factor to consider when choosing a caliber is recoil. My best guess I'd say a 6mm CM out of a 18" barrel would push a 108 ELDM around 2850 fps. The 6.5 Creedmoor commonly uses 120gr, 140gr, and 143gr bullets. .223 and 5.56 are the same bullet diameter (.224") and basically the same brass. The 6mm Creedmoor can use the same lighter weight bullets as the .243 Winchester and fire them a bit faster (around 200fps with typical factory loads). The 6mm Creed is anout .030 longer than the 6XC. We do deal with a lot of different cartridges and firearms so either he or I could be getting the numbers mixed up. For these reasons, long, heavy for caliber bullets will fit in the magazine and chamber in 6mm and 6.5mm Creedmoor rifles. This is especially trueif youre currently having a tough time finding ammo for other similar cartridges (like 243 Winchester). Also Available At: Brownells and Guns.com. Why would a guy opt for the ARC over the Creedmoor in a bolt action? CA Ridgeline FFT BBL Break In w/Issues?!? In a bolt action The 6 Creedmoor rifle is easier to come by in good rifles. Which it does pretty well within those limitations. TheHornady 10th Edition(p231-237 and p317-322) reloading manual was also used as a reference for the history of the cartridges and provided data to compare their size and recoil. bullets. The recoil impulse of the 6.5mm Grendel is also significantly heavier than 5.56x45mm. You can boost the performance of the 6mm ARC in a bolt action quite easily. Yes it is designed to run in AR15-platform rifles. This article contains the load data for the 6 Dasher based on a survey of over 100 of the top-ranked long range shooters in the country. Barrel life variable depend on your rifle, barrel, load, velocity and bullet. It is also much harder to control on full-automatic. With Howa releasing the ARC as predicted it will have a decent following and should easily over take the Grendel in popularity. You can push a 6mm arc a little harder than the factory offerings in a bolt gun, and in fact, the hornady reloading manual has two separate sections for loading the 6mm arc, (gas gun/bolt gun) based on maximum pressures of 55k, and 63k, (if my memory serves), but even at the 63k, it lags well behind the 6mm creedmoor. They decide that with their own hard-earned money. Case in point. In this video. For those reasons, flat shooting, medium bore, high velocity (up to a point), and mild recoiling cartridges with a long barrel life have a big advantage in these competitions. A shorter action and longer barrel life. It offers the same stability factor as the industry-leading 105gr Hybrid Target and is a direct replacement for 1:8" twist barrels. Among others, this list includes the 103 grain ELD-X from Hornady, the 95 grain Barnes LRX BT, the 87 grain Hornady V-Max, and the 100gr Sierra GameKing. The 6mm ARC cartridge is a new SAAMI-spec cartridge based on the 6.5 Grendel case necked down for 6mm bullets, with the shoulder moved back 0.030. That being said, if a guy wanted to push that type of speed and bullet weight, the 6mm Creedmoor is a better solution in my opinion. Since its still a relatively new cartridge, most hunters probably dont know very much at all about the 6mm Creedmoor. The other 2 was Remington actions ALL with a full bull Bench-Mark barrels 1in 7.5 twist. Case capacity of the 6mm ARC is 34 grains. The 6mm Creedmoor was also intended for use from the start in semi-automatic rifles like the AR-10 as well as bolt action rifles.